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licensed by the state and paying taxes to it. this, all while theç federal government still views possessing and certainly growing, selling, and distributing marijuana as serious felonies. how's that going to work is the big question that hangs over whatever celebrations the citizens of washington might engage in tomorrow. on a side note, tomorrow is also the first day that same-sex couples will be able to get marriage licenses in washington. then on sunday, they will actually be able to tie the knot. that was another huge stage washington state voters approved in the last election. if you are betting on how this country will evolve in the next few decades in terms of politics and policy, two safe bets. marriage equality and marijuana. both of those policies go into effect tomorrow in washington. the truly fascinating thing here is that starting tomorrow, we will see an abstract debate, an abstract policy discussion that we've had for many years. should pot be legal? how might it change society? how might it improve it? we'll s
licensed by the state and paying taxes to it. this, all while theç federal government still views possessing and certainly growing, selling, and distributing marijuana as serious felonies. how's that going to work is the big question that hangs over whatever celebrations the citizens of washington might engage in tomorrow. on a side note, tomorrow is also the first day that same-sex couples will be able to get marriage licenses in washington. then on sunday, they will actually be able to tie...
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it's not the tax cuts going into effect. and -- >> you mean the millions of dollars -- >> the cuts that will be forced through in the next two years. that's a much bigger risk to the economy. >> therefore? >> therefore, if the president lets this thing -- look, the markets have already priced this in. >> i hear the opposite. i hear that they believe that grown-ups will do the job when they have to. they don't believe they're going to let us go over the cliff. >> i don't think the grown-ups believe they have to do the job by january 1st. i believe they believe the grown-ups have to do the job by january 30th or february 15th. >> they're going to believe the politicians can get the job done when they failed to get it done by january 1st. they're then going to believe -- >> i hear what steve is saying there. i'm standing in your camp, which is a rare spot for me to be in, standing in chris's camp here, but i think you're right. i think the markets have not baked this into their equation. >> dysfunction and childishness. >> dysf
it's not the tax cuts going into effect. and -- >> you mean the millions of dollars -- >> the cuts that will be forced through in the next two years. that's a much bigger risk to the economy. >> therefore? >> therefore, if the president lets this thing -- look, the markets have already priced this in. >> i hear the opposite. i hear that they believe that grown-ups will do the job when they have to. they don't believe they're going to let us go over the cliff....
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remember, the president, two years ago, extended all of the tax cuts, including the tax cuts for top earners, on the grounds that the economy was so weak, it couldn't take the blow and the withdrawal in effect of money from the economy by doing that. so to some degree, the administration itself is evolving with changing economic circumstances. at some point, when you get in a recovery, and the administration's making the case and job numbers tell us we are recovering and other economic data do, too, you say some of the things we enacted as emergency measure during the great recession are going to either be taken away or tapered down. and that's part of the logic of including some cuts or some reduction in the extension of unemployment, food stamps and other things. >> but okay, we're going to talk about the reality of being poor in america and the next couple of block. the notion that you can start kicking people off food stamp rolls because we're in a recovery. if you look at how much money people are make, the stats, economic impact of giving a person a dollar in food stamps equals
remember, the president, two years ago, extended all of the tax cuts, including the tax cuts for top earners, on the grounds that the economy was so weak, it couldn't take the blow and the withdrawal in effect of money from the economy by doing that. so to some degree, the administration itself is evolving with changing economic circumstances. at some point, when you get in a recovery, and the administration's making the case and job numbers tell us we are recovering and other economic data do,...
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no new taxes. >> read my lips, no new taxes. george h.w. bush hammered that mantra to win the white house in 1988. but just two years later, the reagan deficits were skyrocketing and president bush was forced to change his most famous line. >> long and bitter battle over the budget officially ended last night. president bush put his signature on the deficit reduction package, including $140 billion in tax increases. >> tax increases. that was a turning point for the modern republican party. the right wing went crazy. and george bush lost re-election. since then the party's been committed to never compromising on the tax issue, no matter the deficit. no congressional republican has voted for an increase in taxes since 1990. think about it. for nearly a quarter of a century, no new income taxes. in the current congress, 236 house republicans vowed never to raise taxes. 40 gop senators also kept that pledge. even president george w. bush, the man who got us into two wars we didn't pay for. the president who exploded our deficit. he insisted th
no new taxes. >> read my lips, no new taxes. george h.w. bush hammered that mantra to win the white house in 1988. but just two years later, the reagan deficits were skyrocketing and president bush was forced to change his most famous line. >> long and bitter battle over the budget officially ended last night. president bush put his signature on the deficit reduction package, including $140 billion in tax increases. >> tax increases. that was a turning point for the modern...
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they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep saying no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect elizabeth warren, a champion of financial reform, will get a spot on the banking committee. >>> and senator john mccain hints he might favor filibuster reform. debbie stabenow is here on rule changes. stay with us. we're right back. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. th
they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep saying no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect...
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tonight's question, will radical republicans ever agree to a tax hike deal? text "a" for yes and text "b" for no to 622639. you can always go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show.ç >>> joining me tonight, congressman steny hoyer of maryland, the house democratic whip. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate it. >> always good to be with you, ed. thanks. >> got some folks nervous talking about entitlements. when you say entitlement cuts are on the table, what does that mean and how far are you willing to go? >> well, when i say everything needs to be on the table, ed, i want everybody to put their cards on the table and tell me what they want to do. i want not only to see that myself, i want to see what others want to do, including my republican colleagues, in terms of entitlements. now, there are some things we are absolutely not going to do, as you well know. made it very clear during the election, we're not going to voucherize medicare. we're not going to privatize security. we believe very st
tonight's question, will radical republicans ever agree to a tax hike deal? text "a" for yes and text "b" for no to 622639. you can always go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show.ç >>> joining me tonight, congressman steny hoyer of maryland, the house democratic whip. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate it. >> always good to be with you, ed. thanks. >> got some folks nervous talking...
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to a higher tax rate. i think they would be fine getting rid of some of the loopholes, but if this goes to where it's just higher tax rates on the rich and very little spending cuts, they little reform, i think there will be huge outrage. >> how about a sizable adjustment in entitlements, a big -- billions of dollars in cuts in regular spending, appropriations spending, and a reduction in the rich person's tax rate, a rise to 37% or 38%, would that sell with the right or not? >> i think there's a chance if they would see real reform, real cuts, more than what the president was saying, 2.5 times of cuts for every tax increase, but what they don't want are tax increases now and future cuts. that's not going to work. >> okay. thank you. just want to know what the rules were in the sane world and the insane world. i think it's going to be more like one to one and i think it's going to be something like i mentioned. let me go back to you, bob. i don't know what it looks like to you. just the other day, you don'
to a higher tax rate. i think they would be fine getting rid of some of the loopholes, but if this goes to where it's just higher tax rates on the rich and very little spending cuts, they little reform, i think there will be huge outrage. >> how about a sizable adjustment in entitlements, a big -- billions of dollars in cuts in regular spending, appropriations spending, and a reduction in the rich person's tax rate, a rise to 37% or 38%, would that sell with the right or not? >> i...
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. >> what i've suggested is let's put a down payment on taxes, let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. let's let those go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform. we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close. and it is possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> joining me here in washington are congressman tim walls, democrat from minnesota, and karen finney, the former dnc director and msnbc analyst. you introduced today in the house a discharge petition which is a way for normally the minority to try to get, to force a vote on something that the leadership doesn't want. this petition would basically bring to a vote in the house the bill that the senate passed, which is basically the president's version of the tax structure that he would like to see. what's happening with the discharge petition? >> we have 151 people signed on to it. i think we have momentum. >> how many signatures do you need? >> 218.
. >> what i've suggested is let's put a down payment on taxes, let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. let's let those go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform. we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close. and it is possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> joining me here in washington are...
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a tax cult for 98%. the rest of the people, let's listen to them. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for a handful of republicans and congressman to hold tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on folks to go up. right? that doesn't make sense? the senate has already pass add bill to keep the taxes from going up on the middle-class families. that's already passed the senate. you remember congress, they're ready to go, they're ready to vote on that same thing. and if we can just get a few house republicans on board, we can pass the bill in the house, its wi it will land on my desk, and i am ready. i've got a bunch of pens ready to sign this bill. >> and 30 minutes after the president was finished, john boehner held a press conference. he gave a pessimistic assessment of the negotiations. let's listen to mr. boehner. >> let's not kid ourselves. but when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table
a tax cult for 98%. the rest of the people, let's listen to them. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for a handful of republicans and congressman to hold tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on folks to go up. right? that doesn't make sense? the senate has already pass add bill to keep the taxes from going up on the middle-class families. that's already passed the senate. you remember congress, they're ready to go, they're ready to...
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raising taxes. but also he did it in a way that grew the economy and the nation prospered and the debt became no big deal and then the debt was gone and the debt clocks that were supposed to be scary got shut off. that was because of prioritizing economic growth and being willing to raise revenues. look when we started growing again after the recession. it was not long after the stimulus kicked in. the government spent money and the economy grew. that's how it works. that's why it used to be a beltway consensus when the economy needed to e grow, you needed economic stimulus in terms of your fiscal policy. now the discussion about how we need to make sure we contract the economy and cause as much pain as possible to the people who will be hurt the most by that contracting, maybe that makes sense on sunday morning, but the rest of us go to work during the week and sometimes we go to parties. right now as we speak, here's the scene in washington. at the white house, which bo obama has shown us what it
raising taxes. but also he did it in a way that grew the economy and the nation prospered and the debt became no big deal and then the debt was gone and the debt clocks that were supposed to be scary got shut off. that was because of prioritizing economic growth and being willing to raise revenues. look when we started growing again after the recession. it was not long after the stimulus kicked in. the government spent money and the economy grew. that's how it works. that's why it used to be a...
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taxes. >> now the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. >> and new polling by the associated press could strengthen the president's hand in negotiations. 48% of americans say they support the idea of raising taxes on the highest earners. that's compared to 32% who say tax cuts should continue for everyone. >> well, hillary clinton says she insists that she wants to get out of politics. but a new poll shows that the majority of americans are hoping she has a change of heart. the latest abc news/"washington post" poll shows 50% of americans would vote for hillary clinton in 2016. 37% would oppose such a campaign. hillary clinton also has a strong bid of support in her home state of new york where 54% of voters say she would make a great runner. but new yorkers are not so enthusiastic about the current governor jumping into the race. 39% suppo
taxes. >> now the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. >> and new polling by the associated press could strengthen the president's hand in negotiations. 48% of americans say they support the idea of raising taxes on the highest earners. that's...
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his taxes. if we don't do that, the problem is pressure is on spending even more. i think we need to make the defense cuts. we want to minimize human services cuts. the best way to do that is go back to clinton era taxes. i actually have mixed feelings about striking a deal where the rich folks pay more taxes. i think they should pay more taxes, but i actually think going off clithe cliff is a bet solution than just charging people who make a lot of money what they were paying when bill clinton was president. >> the clinton tax rates worked well, and when you look at where we really are today, although the democrats are playing really tough on these top tax rates, they have conceded about 75% of the tax debate to republicans by agreeing with them on all of the otherç rates. >> that is true, aalthough there is a matter of timing. you know, i think part of what you have to look at here is it's really hrepublicans who force this conversation about having deficit reduction right now. we shouldn't
his taxes. if we don't do that, the problem is pressure is on spending even more. i think we need to make the defense cuts. we want to minimize human services cuts. the best way to do that is go back to clinton era taxes. i actually have mixed feelings about striking a deal where the rich folks pay more taxes. i think they should pay more taxes, but i actually think going off clithe cliff is a bet solution than just charging people who make a lot of money what they were paying when bill clinton...
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a promise to end undefined tax deductions and loopholes of some kind at some point maybe next year. ta da! a fair and balanced middle ground. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> yes. balance. here's the amazing part, though. after congressional republicans released their plan yesterday, which gives them everything they want and promises democrats that they might get something undefined that they might want maybe some time in the future. we'll talk about it later. after they put forth that sweet deal, this was the reaction from the beltway's conservative class. this is genius. sadly, this plan leaves conservatives wanting. wanting what exactly? the declaration that mitt romney is actually president? wanting what? a pony? there's a conservative guy who didn't get his pony. let's add the pony. how are you happy? still not happy? this is a game. republicans put forward an offer in which they get everything they want. democrats get nothing, even though democrats won the election. then the republicans have the people on their own side squawk and
a promise to end undefined tax deductions and loopholes of some kind at some point maybe next year. ta da! a fair and balanced middle ground. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> yes. balance. here's the amazing part, though. after congressional republicans released their plan yesterday, which gives them everything they want and promises democrats that they might get something undefined that they might want maybe some time in the future....
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they are in favor of tax cuts for the rich. they want to cut tax care programs and medicare and make seniors pay and threaten the economy of the united states of america by defaulting on payments or at least to threaten that. this is not a very popular position among the public. in fact, they will be -- i think it's a suicide mission that they are on, that the american people will make them pay the price. i really don't understand their strategy. >> margie, if you look at the fact that in the 2011 debt ceiling battle senator mitch mcconnell had this to say. he said, i think some of our members may have thought the default issue was a hostage. you might take a chance at shooting. most of us didn't think that. what we did learn is this. it's a hostage that's worth ransoming. and it focuses theç congress o something that must be done. now, if this was their thought and attitude in 2011, do you think that's what we're dealing with, that kind of feeling, attitude of holding the hostage for ransom now? >> i hope not. it's bad for -
they are in favor of tax cuts for the rich. they want to cut tax care programs and medicare and make seniors pay and threaten the economy of the united states of america by defaulting on payments or at least to threaten that. this is not a very popular position among the public. in fact, they will be -- i think it's a suicide mission that they are on, that the american people will make them pay the price. i really don't understand their strategy. >> margie, if you look at the fact that in...
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reform with no tax rate hikes. john boehner blasting the president's, quote, la la land offer. that just moments after the president took his plan to the people answering questions about the fiscal cliff on twitter, and with less than a month to go, the white house dispatched treasury secretary tim geithner to five sunday talk shows to declare tax rates on the wealthy are going up one way or another. >> if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> it republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a the a time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> while geithner was drawing a line in the sand, house speaker john boehner was busy trying to lift his jaw off the flar after geithner presented the president's debt reduction plans to him last week. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be se
reform with no tax rate hikes. john boehner blasting the president's, quote, la la land offer. that just moments after the president took his plan to the people answering questions about the fiscal cliff on twitter, and with less than a month to go, the white house dispatched treasury secretary tim geithner to five sunday talk shows to declare tax rates on the wealthy are going up one way or another. >> if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates on the wealthy. you...
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they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep say iing no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect elizabeth warren, a champion of financial reform, will get a spot on the banking committee. >>> and senator john mccain hints he might favor filibuster reform. debbie stabenow is here on rule changes. stay with us. we're right back. eat good fats. avoid bad. don't go over 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but myself. i know better nutrition when i see it: great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more processed flakes look nothing like natural grains. you can'
they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep say iing no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect...
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labor higher than we tax capitol. the republicans believe it does, they believe the higher you tax something the more you are discouraging it. there is bill crystal asking why do we want to tax labor more than capitol? that is the question. >> it is interesting. you are are seeing rank and file members of the party. you are starting to see the troops fall away. what would happen if for instance the senate bill were to be voted on in the house? >> they want to do it. and it would pass. we would have to get into these other questions. >> polls favoring the president in his approach and the outcome that he wants. and the polls i don't think that rush are limbaugh is reading those polls. >> there is no way to come to an agreement. the only thing that can happen is for one side to cave in. this is being realistic. there is no common ground here. there is no bipartisanship to be had. it ain't going to happen. there is no compromise. none. there is only concession. and that is what will happen. when rush doesn't want to soun
labor higher than we tax capitol. the republicans believe it does, they believe the higher you tax something the more you are discouraging it. there is bill crystal asking why do we want to tax labor more than capitol? that is the question. >> it is interesting. you are are seeing rank and file members of the party. you are starting to see the troops fall away. what would happen if for instance the senate bill were to be voted on in the house? >> they want to do it. and it would...
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they don't mind taxes. you've got a different dynamic just because who is willing to go through the deadline? >> errol, the president will meet with those ceos. how many will look and say, you know what, hey, buddy, you stink at running negotiations. will you get into a room and work this out? enough of this public posturing. it's absurd. >> they won't say it to his face obviously. >> they'll tell it to other people. they ought to. >> when you're in the beltway, in the bubble, you realize things aren't quite as simple as all of that and things have to go through. there is this tremor, i think, going through state and local governments as well as the business community, what if they don't get it together? i think that's what they're going to convey. >> and you wonder why isn't the president playing the adult and saying let's get in a room now? why the posturing. when we come back, there was a lot of republican branding going on yesterday, happened somewhat accidentally, somewhat on purpose. trivia we ask, na
they don't mind taxes. you've got a different dynamic just because who is willing to go through the deadline? >> errol, the president will meet with those ceos. how many will look and say, you know what, hey, buddy, you stink at running negotiations. will you get into a room and work this out? enough of this public posturing. it's absurd. >> they won't say it to his face obviously. >> they'll tell it to other people. they ought to. >> when you're in the beltway, in the...
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the republican plan would raise tax revenue by not extending the current obama cut in payroll taxes. but the republican plan still refuses to raise the top income tax rates. yesterday, treasury secretary tim geithner made it clear that there can be no deal without higher top tax rates. >> last question, can you promise that we will not go over the cliff? >> no, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans that are now opposing increases in tax rates. if they recognize the reality that we can't afford to extend those tax rates, then we have a basis for the agreement and that's going to be the responsible thing to do and my judgment is they are going to do it. >> joining me now, ezra klein, huffington post, ryan grim. ezra, what do you make of the boehner proposal that was kind of cribbed from erskine bowles? >> two things. one, republicans are terrified about by the polls showing that they are going to immediately get blamed if they are not willing to compromise. the reason you initiate the bowles' plan is you say, look, they are going along with t
the republican plan would raise tax revenue by not extending the current obama cut in payroll taxes. but the republican plan still refuses to raise the top income tax rates. yesterday, treasury secretary tim geithner made it clear that there can be no deal without higher top tax rates. >> last question, can you promise that we will not go over the cliff? >> no, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans that are now opposing increases in tax...
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they don't want to touch tax rates at all. and so they are left kind of jiggling around the edges with tax reform and closing loopholes and things like that. they can't afford to extend these rates and kristol is not the only republican worried about this are sort of thing. there is a persistent pr problem with the party. you know, it just lost the last election because it couldn't kind of come to terms with its insistence and it's about to go down that same pr rabbit hole again with this proposal. >> ezra, wouldn't they know that this is a pr hold that is about to go down? why would they risk this, in your opinion? >> well, think about it more broadly from a bargaining standpoint. in particular, things like the payroll tax cut and any kind of stimulus that the republicans feel that they can eventually stomach, that's a great thing for them to trade away at the end. maybe they don't hate that much but know that president obama really wants. when you're late in the negotiations, that's when they are going to begin to give thing
they don't want to touch tax rates at all. and so they are left kind of jiggling around the edges with tax reform and closing loopholes and things like that. they can't afford to extend these rates and kristol is not the only republican worried about this are sort of thing. there is a persistent pr problem with the party. you know, it just lost the last election because it couldn't kind of come to terms with its insistence and it's about to go down that same pr rabbit hole again with this...
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that's just a fact, david. >> people would prefer it be done through tax reform, through tax loopholes, but also let me -- >> do you explain to them that by tax loopholes you're not going to get enough revenue to do what needs to be done? >> you are going to get to the 800 billion the speaker said you were going to get to. >> no, i don't think that's right, david. >> we have, again, our economists say we can get to that 800 billion. you have an economist says that you can't get to the 1.6 trillion that the president is trying to ask for. >> and republican math said that mitt romney was going to be president. >> now, that's a different dynamic. look, if you talk to other republicans, there were some other republicans that perhaps didn't have that level of confidence there but, again, i want to go back to this point. >> real quickly, david. we're out of time here. >> the fact is, the president and tim geithner have willfully taken a position that, in fact, in terms of generating revenue that there's only one way to generate revenue and that's through raising taxes and the president has b
that's just a fact, david. >> people would prefer it be done through tax reform, through tax loopholes, but also let me -- >> do you explain to them that by tax loopholes you're not going to get enough revenue to do what needs to be done? >> you are going to get to the 800 billion the speaker said you were going to get to. >> no, i don't think that's right, david. >> we have, again, our economists say we can get to that 800 billion. you have an economist says that...
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tax hikes today. i think he's trying to do what he can to deflate the opposition and essentially win this vote on saturday and sort of take this as a sign that he's now free to lead the way he wants to and use the military if necessary to enforce that lead. >> meantime let's talk about syria. the civil war there spilled over to lebanon where at least 17 people were killed in recent clashes. nbc news reported president assad is getting chemical weapons ready to use on his people. of course, they've denied it. where do you put the threat level? >> well, i think the threat level is certainly increasing. you know, we obviously don't have access to those intelligence reports. but you've heard lots of signs of alarm from u.s. officials that there are indications of these chemical weapons are being prepared for use. when you combine that with the signs that maybe assad's forces are in a little bit more danger from the rebels than they were before, you might think that perhaps the regime is becoming desperate
tax hikes today. i think he's trying to do what he can to deflate the opposition and essentially win this vote on saturday and sort of take this as a sign that he's now free to lead the way he wants to and use the military if necessary to enforce that lead. >> meantime let's talk about syria. the civil war there spilled over to lebanon where at least 17 people were killed in recent clashes. nbc news reported president assad is getting chemical weapons ready to use on his people. of...
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house republicans would allow a vote on extending the bush middle class tax cuts. that bill already passed in august in the senate. and offer the president nothing more. no extension to the debt ceiling, nothing on unemployment, nothing on loopholes. congress would recess for the holidays and the president would face a big battle early in the year over the debt ceiling. ." two republican officials tell me this is becoming the most likely scenario. "the new york times" added more detail including this amazing quote from rep michael c. burgess of texas. "there's always better ground, but we have to get there." in this case the better ground is exchanging the threat of a congressionally induced recession for the threat of a congressionally induced global financial crisis combined with recession. that, that is your better ground? that's a big plan? it's not -- it's not better ground for the economy. and, frankly, i find it difficult to see how it's better political ground even for the gop. i figured, i didn't get it. so i figured this was beyond my small political brai
house republicans would allow a vote on extending the bush middle class tax cuts. that bill already passed in august in the senate. and offer the president nothing more. no extension to the debt ceiling, nothing on unemployment, nothing on loopholes. congress would recess for the holidays and the president would face a big battle early in the year over the debt ceiling. ." two republican officials tell me this is becoming the most likely scenario. "the new york times" added more...
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some reduction in tax expenditures. the problem is it's not at all clear to me how the debt limit gets handled. people are forgetting about this other piece. we may have a deal over the fiscal cliff and then run into the debt limit in february. that would be a puriic victory. >> vus not goiit's just not goi happen. tell me, because you know these numbers better than anybody, other than people sitting in the white house that have looked at the very latest, but it seems like 37%. we're starting to hear that more, and both sides may coalesce around that eventually. let's say we change the rates to 35% and 37% and you eliminate deductions, not the home mortgage because we're not going to get that. we're probably not going to get charitable. can you say $1.2 trillion if that's where we compromise and new revenues. >> capital gains, dividends, estate. >> if you're more aggressive. >> about half theway. >> let's say you aggressively go on capital gains, dif evidends >> you start to get close. >> david ig nanatiuignatius, ar to
some reduction in tax expenditures. the problem is it's not at all clear to me how the debt limit gets handled. people are forgetting about this other piece. we may have a deal over the fiscal cliff and then run into the debt limit in february. that would be a puriic victory. >> vus not goiit's just not goi happen. tell me, because you know these numbers better than anybody, other than people sitting in the white house that have looked at the very latest, but it seems like 37%. we're...
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, more tax revenue? the president responded, high-end tax cuts do the least for economic growth and cost almost $ 1 trillion. extending middle class cuts boosts consumer demand and growth. the white house released a video today showing how president obama has been consistent on his message throughout the last couple of years. it was central to his campaign. >> we need to give tax relief to working families trying to raise their kids to keep them healthy, send them to college, keep a roof over their heads. that's the choice in this election. that's one of the reasons i'm running for a second term as president. >> how quickly we forget. in the words of secretary timothy geithner, this is why republicans have no choice but accepting the tax increases on the wealthiest americans. >> why does it make sense for the country to force tax increases on all americans because a small group of republicans want to extend for 2% of americans? why does that make any sense. there's no reason why that should happen. we ca
, more tax revenue? the president responded, high-end tax cuts do the least for economic growth and cost almost $ 1 trillion. extending middle class cuts boosts consumer demand and growth. the white house released a video today showing how president obama has been consistent on his message throughout the last couple of years. it was central to his campaign. >> we need to give tax relief to working families trying to raise their kids to keep them healthy, send them to college, keep a roof...
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we got four bad years of regulation taxes, he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> there's a doctor strang love. how many republicans will be willing to stand up to that threat. david corn is here to talk about it, the washington bureau chief for mother joins and the author of "47 percent" he's a member of the gridiron society and john feehery is a republican strategist. grover, you're playing defense here. one man elected to nothing. the fact that saxby chambliss comes up, i don't have to live up to some pledge i made 20 years ago and calls up and has grover on the phone going through the transcript of what he said and he's apologizing for each segment as it. what's going on? a senator has to kiss butt to this guy? >> i have known grover for a long time and i like him and he representing -- >> you're afraid of him too. >> i'm not afraid of him. he represents a cause and he's been amazingly successful because taxes have gone down for a long time because of grover. what do we nou becau
we got four bad years of regulation taxes, he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> there's a doctor strang love. how many republicans will be willing to stand up to that threat. david corn is here to talk about it, the washington bureau chief for mother joins and the author of "47 percent" he's a member of the gridiron society and john feehery is a republican strategist. grover, you're playing...
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it proposes tax reform that would produce another trillion in tax revenue t. could produce more revenue than the proposals from president obama or speaker boehner combined. in addition simpson bowles would cut spending by nearly $3 trillion, half that have coming from national security. that's right. more defense cuts. than people have been talking about. it all adds up to around $4 trillion worth of deficit reduction. the plan also reforms social security to raise the retirement age and raise the maximum amount you can tax. and for the middle class it would turn mortgage into a 12% tax credit. co-author of the plan alan simpson said on cbs' "face the nation" there's no easy way out of this debt problem. >> not a single economist who talked to us in our hearings said we can't grow our way out of this thing if we had double digit growth for 20 years, you can't cut spending out of this. and you can't tax your way out of this baby. this is impossible. >> earlier today i spoke to the other co-author of the simpson-bowles plan, former white house chief of staffer,
it proposes tax reform that would produce another trillion in tax revenue t. could produce more revenue than the proposals from president obama or speaker boehner combined. in addition simpson bowles would cut spending by nearly $3 trillion, half that have coming from national security. that's right. more defense cuts. than people have been talking about. it all adds up to around $4 trillion worth of deficit reduction. the plan also reforms social security to raise the retirement age and raise...
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a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see it -- a single dime in tax increases next year. >> so, john boehner, the speaker for the republican party in
a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess...
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then you're fighting for tax cuts, not tax increases, but we'll see. and the fact of the matter is that grover is just a vessel for a bigger issue. taxes used to be -- >> he seems to be calling the shots. >> he's not calling the shots. >> last week to figure out -- last week on the media there's a lot of reporting that saxby chambliss stood up to grover or broke with him. here is what he said. let's look at that first. >> i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> do you think that grover norquist would hold a no new tax pledge that you signed 20 years ago, would he hold that against you in an upcoming re-election bid for the u.s. senate? >> well, you know, in all likelihood, yes, but i don't worry about that because i care too much about my country. i care a lot more about it than i do about grover norquist. >> well, "the washington post" reports today that five days after making those comments on television -- on radio rather, chambliss and norquist spoke on the phone. as norquist read allowed a transcript of chambliss' e
then you're fighting for tax cuts, not tax increases, but we'll see. and the fact of the matter is that grover is just a vessel for a bigger issue. taxes used to be -- >> he seems to be calling the shots. >> he's not calling the shots. >> last week to figure out -- last week on the media there's a lot of reporting that saxby chambliss stood up to grover or broke with him. here is what he said. let's look at that first. >> i care more about this country than i do about a...
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tax cuts. are they willing to limit unemployment insurance, give up infrastructure spending, which is something the president has been talking about from the beginning, payroll tax cut. what's the white house plan here? >> well, alan simpson in addition to being an excellent dancer is a very shrewd political analyst. >> very hip, alan simpson. >> very, very, very good dancer recently. but, look, i think people talk in terms of political advantage and clearly the president is going to gain more political advantage from going off the cliff than the republicans are going to. that's where the polls are showing. that's clearly where there is going. that doesn't mean it's a good idea for the country or economically. the country is are they looking at their own political interests or do they actually want to make sure the economy stays out of recession here. this is a very dangerous game that we're playing with over the next four weeks. >> i want to bring in congressman tom price, a republican from ge
tax cuts. are they willing to limit unemployment insurance, give up infrastructure spending, which is something the president has been talking about from the beginning, payroll tax cut. what's the white house plan here? >> well, alan simpson in addition to being an excellent dancer is a very shrewd political analyst. >> very hip, alan simpson. >> very, very, very good dancer recently. but, look, i think people talk in terms of political advantage and clearly the president is...
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low tax small government party. the other party leadership proposes, wait for it, $800 billion in tax increases. it's noted that the democrats have celebrated the proposal put out by president obama. meanwhile, you have a number of republicans slamming speaker boehner. how would you describe his position right now? >> well, he really didn't win for losing. he's trying to say to president obama if i wanted topaz your proposal i can't do it. he's really truly between a deal and promise and getting the fight over with and a conference that won't allow it. i think what senator demint is saying and house republicans are saying to john boehner is, let's go over the cliff. that we can live with the sequester and we absolutely will not raise tax rates no matter what. what that does is eliminate all of the tax cuts and then there's a new fight in january to push obviously by the democrats to restore tax cuts for 98% of americans. and then that will be muddied by the need for a debt ceiling increase and the fight goes in to f
low tax small government party. the other party leadership proposes, wait for it, $800 billion in tax increases. it's noted that the democrats have celebrated the proposal put out by president obama. meanwhile, you have a number of republicans slamming speaker boehner. how would you describe his position right now? >> well, he really didn't win for losing. he's trying to say to president obama if i wanted topaz your proposal i can't do it. he's really truly between a deal and promise and...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> with respect to the issue of whether gays and lesbians should be able to get married, i have spoken about this recently, as i have said. my feelings about this are constantly evolving. i struggle with this. >> that was president obama in 2010. his evolution has progressed rapidly in less than two years. >> at a certain point i've just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think same-sex couples should be able it get married, and i continue to believe that this is an issue that is going to be worked out at the local level because historically this has not been a federal issue. >> soon the supreme court may go one step further and dec
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> with respect to the issue of whether gays and lesbians should be able to get...
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he voted for reduced rates on capital gains taxes. he voted to keep subsidies for oil and gas companies. that's a big one. but the best part of louie gohmert's crusade to protect the word "lunatic" is this -- >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so that al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. i don't want to make you sick, but i brought an abortion to show you today. and i would just like to conclude with words of my friend, dick morris, who said, i know there's a disagreement on when life begins in america, but for heaven's sake, we ought to agree that life ends when you die. >> now we know why congressman louie gohmert of texas feels so passionately about protecting the word "lunatic." >>> coming up, one of the world's biggest companies is coming back to america. they're not worried about profits. they're worried about the american workforce. we'll explain why, next. [ male announcer ] now's the perfect time to buy an adjustable version of the most highly recommended bed in amer
he voted for reduced rates on capital gains taxes. he voted to keep subsidies for oil and gas companies. that's a big one. but the best part of louie gohmert's crusade to protect the word "lunatic" is this -- >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so that al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. i don't want to make you sick, but i brought an abortion to show you today. and i would just like to conclude with words of my friend,...
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tonight's question, will radical republicans ever agree to a tax hike deal? text "a" for yes and text "b" for no to 622639. you can always go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. >>> joining me tonight, congressman steny hoyer of maryland, the house democratic whip. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate it. >> always good to be with you, ed. thanks. >> got some folks nervous talking about entitlements. when you say entitlement cuts are on the table, what does that mean and how far are you willing to go? we believe very strongly that we need additional revenues if we're going to get our country on a fiscally sound basis. >> and that would take us to benefits. are you willing to put benefits on the table to get a deal? >> everything needs to be on the table. when you say say, am i willing -- i want to see what the outlines are. i think even paul ryan, in the short-term, said benefits should not be on the table. i agree with that, certainly. and it depends upon what you're talking about. certainly
tonight's question, will radical republicans ever agree to a tax hike deal? text "a" for yes and text "b" for no to 622639. you can always go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. >>> joining me tonight, congressman steny hoyer of maryland, the house democratic whip. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate it. >> always good to be with you, ed. thanks. >> got some folks nervous talking about...
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nobody gets tax relief. we republicans will hang out right for that 2%. >> let's talk about the president's position on this. times done changed is perhaps an understatement. my paraphrase of your words. the president in a "new york times" piece today calls attention to the way the president was talking about putting revenue on the table in 2011 versus 2012. he was talking about ending deductions and closing loopholes as a primary way to get revenue on the table which is a different position than he has now. play that sound for everybody so they can remember. sorry. it's a full screen. i will read the quotation. what we said was give us $1.2 trillion in additional revenues which could be accomplished without hiking tax rates but simply accomplished by eliminating loopholes, some deductions and engaging in a tax reform process to lower rates generally while broadening the base. that is different from where the president is at now. is there currency to the republican argument that the president has moved the g
nobody gets tax relief. we republicans will hang out right for that 2%. >> let's talk about the president's position on this. times done changed is perhaps an understatement. my paraphrase of your words. the president in a "new york times" piece today calls attention to the way the president was talking about putting revenue on the table in 2011 versus 2012. he was talking about ending deductions and closing loopholes as a primary way to get revenue on the table which is a...
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and, you know, even in his first term, he talked about real tax reform. and corporate tax reform. and so he wants to find ways in which to keep american businesses here in the country. but also find ways in which we can streamline our tax code. to make small businesses work better. and to grow. and so i -- i am very, very confident that the democrats are very sincere in their thoughts about reforming the tax code next year. >> all right. carrie, i want to play this for everybody. this clip from chuck todd's interview with erskine bowles. >> i don't see why the president would want to negotiate against himself on this. if republicans are going to be willing to reduce entitlements, then he ought to come forward and talk about those that they're willing to support. >> carrie, the president has been willing, publicly willing, at least to say so, to take a hard look at entitlements. isn't it now time for the republicans to offer up the specifics of what they want? the onus is on them? >> that's certainly the position of the white house and democrats on the hill. they say they've been w
and, you know, even in his first term, he talked about real tax reform. and corporate tax reform. and so he wants to find ways in which to keep american businesses here in the country. but also find ways in which we can streamline our tax code. to make small businesses work better. and to grow. and so i -- i am very, very confident that the democrats are very sincere in their thoughts about reforming the tax code next year. >> all right. carrie, i want to play this for everybody. this...
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tax code. you want a flatter tax code for those with less money pay more into the system. republicans have tried to talk around that because that's anç unpopular thing to tell your tea party base, middle class people, no, we think lower income people and middle income people should pay more. but when we strip away all the rhetoric about job creators and the rest, that is the core of conservativism. rich people should not pay more. they should pay less. poorer people should pay more. that's what they believe. >> i enjoy listening to progressives and liberals talk about the core of conservativism because you have it wrong. >> what does slashing the tax code -- >> this whole notion, like president obama has this fetish, we have to raise the rates on the top 2% to raise the deficit -- >> ron, ron, just one -- just one second. >> i'm almost -- >> no, you're -- ron, your narrow -- i'm sorry, ron, but you're now doing what eric can'ter, you're saying the sense the president has been speaking and con
tax code. you want a flatter tax code for those with less money pay more into the system. republicans have tried to talk around that because that's anç unpopular thing to tell your tea party base, middle class people, no, we think lower income people and middle income people should pay more. but when we strip away all the rhetoric about job creators and the rest, that is the core of conservativism. rich people should not pay more. they should pay less. poorer people should pay more. that's...